Nonsense about atheism at The Big Think

by Neil Rickert

A recent post at Uncommon Descent mentioned a topic at Big Think:

The title is perhaps what attracted the UD poster. But the title is already absurd. Why would anyone think that atheism is particularly rational?

For starters, atheism isn’t actually a belief system. It is merely a matter of not being committed to theism. So it doesn’t actually make sense to ask whether atheism is rational.

The post lists the author as Will Gervais in partnership with John Templeton Foundation. A google search suggests that Gervais is a professor of psychology at UKY.

Absurdities

I chose to respond to this because of the absurdities that I noticed. The post begins with a subtitle:

Many atheists think of themselves as intellectually gifted individuals, guiding humanity on the path of reason. Scientific data shows otherwise.

This already seems dubious. The first sentence is undoubtedly true, if only because “many” is an undetermined number. Six people could count as many, and I know at least that many myself who match the description. But scientific data is unlikely to counter this. The scientific data more likely reports a statistical probability, which is not the same as “many”.

The first full paragraph reads:

You are a member of a very peculiar species. Of all our quirks, the human religious impulse may be our most distinctive one. We build skyscrapers? Big deal, bowerbirds construct ornate decorative nests and they have brains the size of almonds. We live in really big societies? Great, so do ants, whose brains are even tinier. We can do math problems? Wonderful, but so can slime molds, and they don’t even have brains!

Well, okay on the bowerbirds and ants. But the idea that slime molds solve math problems is absurd. This idea does not originate with Gervais — I have seen it mentioned elsewhere. But it is still absurd. The slime mold exhibits some behavior, for which we might use mathematics. But it is jumping to unwarranted conclusions to say that the slime mold is using mathematics.

Gervais then gets on to the question of religion:

Most people who have ever lived believe in some sort of god; they are as certain of their gods as of their breath. But not a single organism outside our immediate evolutionary lineage has ever contemplated the existence of a god.

Gervais cannot know that. He cannot tell whether naked mole rats think of a god, which would presumably be a super naked mole rat. Nor can he tell whether prairie dogs think about a prairie dog god. The best we can say is that we do not know of other organisms that contemplate gods.

Continuing, Gervais writes:

On closer inspection, religion is not an evolutionary puzzle so much as two evolutionary puzzles. First is the puzzle of faith: the puzzle of how Homo sapiens — and Homo sapiens alone — came to be a religious species. Second, there is the puzzle of atheism: how disbelief in gods can exist within an otherwise religious species. If belief in god(s) is truly an evolved human universal, how is it that millions or maybe billions of people today don’t believe in any? How can a defining feature of our species (which religion most definitely is!) not be a defining feature of our entire species?

Gervais is assuming that human religious tendencies are biological rather than cultural. And that seems unlikely. And if it is cultural, then it is not a defining feature of our species. Likewise, if it is merely cultural, it is not surprising that there are cultures and subcultures that eschew religion.

Morality

Gervais then discusses the question of morality. He mainly reports that immorality is often taken as evidence of atheism. But this is a shallow way of looking at it. The sociologist Phil Zuckerman has looked at whether atheists are really more immoral, and has found otherwise, as a google search will turn up.

Rationality

The main point of the post seems to be about rationality. I’m actually puzzled that this would come up. Yes, there are some very rational atheists. But there are also some very rational Christians. For myself, I would not think rationality has a lot to do with it.

It is, of course, true that some outspoken atheists have made public statements about how rational thinking took them away from religion. However, I know quite a few non-religious people — I don’t know whether they call themselves “atheists” — who are non-religious for the simple reason that they were not indoctrinated into religion during their childhood. Using rationality as an explanation for atheism seems a stretch. It may be the explanation for a particular person’s atheism, but it could not be a general explanation.

If we look back a few hundred years, we will see that there were times when being Christian was a prerequisite for social advancement. This is typified in the song “The Vicar of Bray” (you can google that). In such a society, rationality would favor being Christian.

The issue is made even more confusing, because we do not actually have a good definition of “rational”. The term “rationality” suggests the use of reason. People very often accuse others of being irrational, when they simply disagree with their conclusions. But someone might well have used rational means to come to a conclusion with which I disagree.

My overall impression is that Gervais wrote a puff piece about religion, for the purpose of getting funding from the John Templeton Foundation. And I guess that counts as rational behavior.

4 Comments to “Nonsense about atheism at The Big Think”

  1. This line — Gervais is assuming that human religious tendencies are biological rather than cultural. — is most definitely an incorrect assumption.

    Humans have NO religious beliefs/tendencies at birth and do not “biologically” inherit them. It is ALL culture, i.e., indoctrination by parents.

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  2. I was disappointed with Big Think. I subscribe to them and I found this disingenuous to intellectual and scientific pursuits

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  3. Isn’t what he’s talking about when he refers to a religious impulse, just attribution of agency, or perhaps more accurately, agency over-detection? Babies can do that, but it isn’t clear that it’s an inborn trait all in all.
    Agency attribution is an initial reaction, not a conclusion. He seems to confuse it for the latter. Besides, he needs some definitions, like the distinction between religion and theology, especially since he himself implies that there may be quite a few nontheists sitting in church pews.

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  4. I think your post is a little confusing.

    Gervais is arguing that atheists are more prevalent than people assume and many people who are really atheists hide this fact on surveys the due to negative stereotypes many hold about atheists. Psychological research he and others have done show that people hold negative stereotypes in which they associate immorality with less God belief. Many atheists such as Richard Dawkins hold the idea that it is their superior rationality, critical thinking, knowledge of science that made them into atheists. Research testing this correlation has been mixed, but a lot of the bigger, worldwide studies did NOT support this conclusion.

    I don’t believe Gervais is arguing that religion is biological rather than cultural. Gervais writes on his “about” page of his website when describing books that influenced him (not in the original article on Big Think):

    “ Around this time, he read the excellent Not by Genes Alone, by Pete Richerson and Rob Boyd. Prior to reading this book, Will thought of culture and evolution as fundamentally distinct. Perhaps evolution built humans (and our brains) a couple hundred thousand years ago, and then culture took over. Or perhaps for a given trait, it was either a product of evolution or a product of culture. This book convinced him that evolution vs. culture is a fundamentally flawed distinction. We’re a species with dual inheritance, products of evolution, culture, and their interaction. Culture only makes sense when viewed in terms of the evolved cognitive capacities that enable it; human evolution only makes sense in light of culture (emphasis mine).”

    He seems to think biological or cultural origins is a false dichotomy since cultural traits are a product of how humans evolved and part of how we evolved was shaped by environmental/cultural factors.

    You wrote: It is, of course, true that some outspoken atheists have made public statements about how rational thinking took them away from religion. However, I know quite a few non-religious people — I don’t know whether they call themselves “atheists” — who are non-religious for the simple reason that they were not indoctrinated into religion during their childhood. Using rationality as an explanation for atheism seems a stretch. It may be the explanation for a particular person’s atheism, but it could not be a general explanation.”

    Gervais writes:

    “ Anecdotally, public atheists posit that intelligence, rationality, and science (all effortful cognitive endeavors) are the root cause of their own atheism. A classic example here would be Richard Dawkins, who credits early reading of Darwin for his atheism, and whose public rhetoric tries to use science as a wedge to drive people from their faith.”

    After talking about some studies, Gervais then goes in to conclude:

    “There is little scientific reason to believe that rationality and science are key causal contributors to atheism in the aggregate. This makes it all the more ironic that public-facing atheists who speak so reverently of science tend to be the most vocal advocates of the faulty notion that rationality is a prime driver of atheism. They’ve got the science wrong.”

    As far as I can tell you are both making a similar point here.

    On morality:

    He is talking about some research he and others did that found people hold negative stereotypes about atheists where they assume someone who did something immoral or looks meaner is less likely to believe in God and then pointing out that these stereotypes might be an explanation for why many people don’t want to define themselves as atheists on certain surveys.

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